Christopher McIntyre can anyone recommend reading on the topic of generative formal concepts in art making?
April 30 at 12:27pmRama Gottfried likes this.
Christopher McIntyre
"art" meaning all the arts, not just visual
April 30 at 12:28pm
Miguel Frasconi
I've been staring at those three words for a few minutes now, and I can't for the life of me understand what it means. Do you mean self-generating algorithms? Or perhaps ideas that hand out tuxedos?
Other than that, the only free-associative thought that comes to me is Tenney's Meta-Meta Hodos. Does that help?
Other than that, the only free-associative thought that comes to me is Tenney's Meta-Meta Hodos. Does that help?
April 30 at 1:33pm
Christopher McIntyre
self-generative algorithms included, yes. i want to research existing ideas about emulating biological/geological operations to generate form in real-time or otherwise. difficult to know what to call exactly. seems like the first place to start!
April 30 at 1:46p
David Watson
thanks , Miguel. I thought it was me.
https://ccrma.stanford.edu
I understand this article : that might be a bad sign.
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But then also, say, Ono's (I think ) : "Draw a Line, and follow it".
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https://ccrma.stanford.edu
I understand this article : that might be a bad sign.
... See More
But then also, say, Ono's (I think ) : "Draw a Line, and follow it".
?
April 30 at 2:06pm
Miguel Frasconi
Aaah! I get it. Fascinating! The effect of time on structure. Art that grows and ages gracefully as part of it's own internal structure. (Perhaps watching Arav is inspiring these thoughts!) Very cool. Maybe reading about HMSL would help. Good luck!
April 30 at 2:13p
Miguel Frasconi
Great article David! Ah yes, "Draw a straight line and follow it." Perhaps the first algorithmic composition. (good ol' LaMonte, actually.)
April 30 at 2:17pm
Christopher McIntyre
Thanks David and Miguel! Meta-Meta confused me the first time I scratched the surface, but so did Meta. Time to try again! The Stanford thing looks amazing D!
April 30 at 2:17pm
Miguel Frasconi
Ya know, I've been thinking a starting a Meta-Hodos study group. Because, yes, it confuses me too. Having Tenney explain it to me helped a little, but not much! I think it would help having multiple brains reading it together would help to unlock it. HMSL was Polansky and other's way of incorporating Jim's ideas into software.
April 30 at 2:24pm
Rama Gottfried
there's a lot of generative visual stuff going on with processing might be a good resource also: http://processing.org/
April 30 at 2:48pm
Christopher McIntyre
I'm down for a Meta-Hodos reading club. Anthony Coleman and I had talked about reading it together at one point as well. One of those books. I've read it all the way through twice. By the end of 2nd time I was feeling more secure about what it's saying. Now, how to process things in real-life that way as both a listener and composer...
April 30 at 3:58pm
Sat at 5:39am
Frances-Marie Uitti
what about the cellular automata of Stephen Wolfram. Not the silly wolframtunes, but the generated patterns and chaos that results from rules of cells. I find the whole thing quite interesting!
Yesterday at 6:24am
Christopher McIntyre
Thanks FMU! I've been hovering around the idea of modeling cellular activity for a while so digging in to Wolfram's stuff should help push that forward.
Yesterday at 10:17pm
Christopher McIntyre
A Tenney Club, eh? I think this could be a really important thing. Maybe Polansky would be able to join up periodically. I'll send out a note to those who mentioned interest here and to a few other potentials.
